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Behind Geddon's Wall
Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 1553 Location: Kingston Upon Hull/ The Cloud Factory
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:38 pm Post subject: Controller |
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Quoted from thetimesonline
Lesley Douglas, a controversial but astute manager who has already brought in Jonathan Ross, Chris Evans, Russell Brand and Dermot O’Leary.
Personally, ith these examples I see her average as being 1/2 from 4 - hardly astute.
Note to John/Admin. Please feel free to move this to gripes if you think fit _________________ Geddon
You simply mustn't blame yourself -- the days were perfect
And so were exactly what I was born to spoil
For I am the Rider to the World's End
Bound across the cinder causeway
From the furnace to the quarry
Through the fields of oil |
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Clive55
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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I think Chris Evans has worked out well. I don't listen to Wossy, but he seems to be popular.
Where she totally lost it, IMO, was hiring Russel Brand |
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John W
Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 3367 Location: Warwickshire, UK
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:54 pm Post subject: Re: Controller |
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Behind Geddon's Wall wrote: | Quoted from thetimesonline
Lesley Douglas, a controversial but astute manager who has already brought in Jonathan Ross, Chris Evans, Russell Brand and Dermot O’Leary.
Personally, ith these examples I see her average as being 1/2 from 4 - hardly astute.
Note to John/Admin. Please feel free to move this to gripes if you think fit |
See how the thread develops. Remember, Paul Donovan was wrong to say Lesley hired Ross. Her predessesor Moir did, though Lesley might have been involved.
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Julia
Joined: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 556 Location: a hillside desolate
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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she doesn't get my vote: gets in Evans for Drivetime and drops 30mins off Stuart's show... I was NOT a happy bunny!
oh and also what was all that censorship of the (official) R2 message board all about - are we living in the 21st Centuary or not?? _________________ I was trying to daydream, but my mind kept wandering. |
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Behind Geddon's Wall
Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 1553 Location: Kingston Upon Hull/ The Cloud Factory
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks, John, for your forebearance. _________________ Geddon
You simply mustn't blame yourself -- the days were perfect
And so were exactly what I was born to spoil
For I am the Rider to the World's End
Bound across the cinder causeway
From the furnace to the quarry
Through the fields of oil |
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Rachel Guest
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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Controversial is good! Just imagine if Lesley was a dull conformist!! Where's the fun in that?. It's much more fun to make decisions that you may cut your fingers on.
Well behaved women are rarely remembered in history..... .... |
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Cherskiy
Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 3701 Location: near Amble, Northumberland
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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Julia wrote: | she doesn't get my vote: gets in Evans for Drivetime and drops 30mins off Stuart's show... I was NOT a happy bunny! |
I'm with Julia on this one - although if push came to shove, I'd rather see the back of Ross than Evans. Her signing of RB wasn't a good move in my eyes, nor am I unconvinced that this is the start of a slippery slope for the network. My score - 1 out of 4 - 'must do better'. _________________ Author: “To the Ends of the Earth: A Snapshot of Aviation in North-Eastern Siberia, Summer 1992”
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Clive55
Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 1336
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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Cherskiy wrote: | Julia wrote: | she doesn't get my vote: gets in Evans for Drivetime and drops 30mins off Stuart's show... I was NOT a happy bunny! |
I'm with Julia on this one - although if push came to shove, I'd rather see the back of Ross than Evans. Her signing of RB wasn't a good move in my eyes, nor am I unconvinced that this is the start of a slippery slope for the network. My score - 1 out of 4 - 'must do better'. |
Talking of Jonathan, I did see him on a documentary on TV recently where he was rather bravely using lots of words starting with "R". My appreciation of him went up a small notch after that. Still can't listen to his show, tho! |
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Behind Geddon's Wall
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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At the risk of getting myself into SERIOUS trouble - here goes!
Rachel - do you mean like that mad frenchwoman that swore she heard voices? and ( getting in even deeper ) is yours a gender - specific comment regardless of the folk she's hired
( Puts head on block - waiting for axe to fall )
Please note that this post is intended to be light hearted and not sexist or francophobic _________________ Geddon
You simply mustn't blame yourself -- the days were perfect
And so were exactly what I was born to spoil
For I am the Rider to the World's End
Bound across the cinder causeway
From the furnace to the quarry
Through the fields of oil |
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Helen May
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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Having been in the middle of the censorship on the R2 board, I'll give her 0 out of 4. She's done nowt right as far as I'm concerned.
H _________________ 88 - 91 FM this is Radio 2 from the BBC!
I said it live on air in the studio with Jeremy Vine on 10/3/2005 |
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Julia
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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Clive55 wrote: | Cherskiy wrote: | Julia wrote: | she doesn't get my vote: gets in Evans for Drivetime and drops 30mins off Stuart's show... I was NOT a happy bunny! |
I'm with Julia on this one - although if push came to shove, I'd rather see the back of Ross than Evans. Her signing of RB wasn't a good move in my eyes, nor am I unconvinced that this is the start of a slippery slope for the network. My score - 1 out of 4 - 'must do better'. |
Talking of Jonathan, I did see him on a documentary on TV recently where he was rather bravely using lots of words starting with "R". My appreciation of him went up a small notch after that. Still can't listen to his show, tho! |
I don't like Ross' radio show - enjoyed his interview on his tv show with morrissey - it was fabi 'why would your cat be on a plane with you?' Ross - speechless.. classic
HOWEVER - I do get so mightily fed up of people poking fun at him - I find it offensive and downright rude _________________ I was trying to daydream, but my mind kept wandering. |
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Ian Robinson Site Admin
Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 3611 Location: Chorley, Lancashire
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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Rachel wrote: | Controversial is good! Just imagine if Lesley was a dull conformist!! Where's the fun in that?. It's much more fun to make decisions that you may cut your fingers on.
Well behaved women are rarely remembered in history..... .... | But she is a conformist! She doesn't discover new talent, but hires on the basis of hype and celebrity. Superagent John Noel seems to talk her into anything and she turns over and lets him tickle her tummy. |
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Rachel Guest
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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Behind Geddon's Wall wrote: | At the risk of getting myself into SERIOUS trouble - here goes!
Rachel - do you mean like that mad frenchwoman that swore she heard voices? and ( getting in even deeper ) is yours a gender - specific comment regardless of the folk she's hired
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Well kind of...... yes .BGW......I think anyway...... you know... and I speak from experience: women in management, get a rough deal...... it's not good enough to be as good as other managers ... otherwise why bother with a woman in the first place? .. just hire a guy, no need to worry about minding the Ps & Qs in meetings etc:....everyone is happy: they all go to the pub for liquid lunch- pat each other on back and talk about football., they know where thy "sit" in the company pecking order by the size of their office and how close to the front door, they park their car....easy..... you see.... men like easy .... When a company hires a woman ( for a management role) they do so because the woman has "something" and they ( the company) expect to get that something extra for the "nause" that comes with a female manager......( oh... and there is nause... believe me....)...... which is why us girlie managers get lots of flack when we show the kind of (look I don't care if it's the final tomorrow- just be on that plane) decision making bottle that we were hired for in the first place...... |
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gfloyd
Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 4861 Location: Here, There, Everywhere.
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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I think the problem with these discussions is that many people mix up their personal feelings with fulfilling the job description of the controller which is to deliver a varied output of the specialist and mainstream, the entertaining and educational, the religious and satirical. Nobody is going to like eveything on the network.
She did hire Mark Radcliffe, not that I listen to him, but many do and love his shows.
She has kept Terry happy & on board, which I think is never recognised.
The specialist output remains strong from SOTS to Parky, Jones to Suzi Q, Humph to Lamarr.
I do think she has been over indulgent of presenters on ocassion. The examples I would give are Elaine Paige, Sarah Kennedy & Steve Wright who have displayed some traits in their broadcasting that should result in admonishment or even disciplinary action.
Ever controller indulges their own whims. I could do without O'Leary & Brand and I wish that Helen Mayhew was back but you cant have eveything.
6 out of 10 from me. _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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gfloyd
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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Of course she did bring Matthew Wright in as well. I must be one of the few people on the planet who actually quite like his daytime radio shows. I'm not overly fond of the Weekender: it just seems to be a lot of talk about nothing much. It could easily be mistaken for the Steve Wright show sometimes. _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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Behind Geddon's Wall
Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 1553 Location: Kingston Upon Hull/ The Cloud Factory
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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Rachel, We have a CEO who is a woman. Having a woman manager is not a problem. It is whether they can do the job. As I have said on several occasions both here and on the old R2 boards, It is the direction that she is taking the station that is of concern to me as a listener.
I know that many have complained about he loss of YHBT, but Maybe Alan Titchmarsh may just give it a tweak.
Messrs Evans, Brand and Ross are not my personal favourites. CE is in the wrong spot, RB is on the wrong station, and JR is probably in the best place _________________ Geddon
You simply mustn't blame yourself -- the days were perfect
And so were exactly what I was born to spoil
For I am the Rider to the World's End
Bound across the cinder causeway
From the furnace to the quarry
Through the fields of oil |
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Ian Robinson Site Admin
Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 3611 Location: Chorley, Lancashire
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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gfloyd wrote: | Of course she did bring Matthew Wright in as well. I must be one of the few people on the planet who actually quite like his daytime radio shows. I'm not overly fond of the Weekender: it just seems to be a lot of talk about nothing much. It could easily be mistaken for the Steve Wright show sometimes. |
I really didn't like Wright in daytime, but I slowly warmed to him. He can be OK (and he played 10,000 Maniacs which makes me grudgingly like him) but sometimes he's a bit cringey.
I don't find The Weekender too bad, but personally I'd like a similar(ish) entertainment & music show to replace Steve Wright. Intelligent discussion about showbiz, books, music, theatre, TV, etc. but still with lots of records. Then we could have a music show on Friday night.
What do Russell Brand, Dermot O'Leary, and Matthew Wright have in common? |
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gfloyd
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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Ian Robinson wrote: |
What do Russell Brand, Dermot O'Leary, and Matthew Wright have in common? |
That's easy: same agent. Do you reckon their is something a bit fishy going on there? [alledgedly] _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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Ian Robinson Site Admin
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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gfloyd wrote: | That's easy: same agent. Do you reckon their is something a bit fishy going on there? [alledgedly] |
I do indeed. What with the tentative steps of Davina on Radio 2 and various other John Noel clients cropping up in prime slots on 6Music, it all seems a bit funny.
PS - never said it was hard! |
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mark occomore
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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I suppose the BBC will need to tighten their belts now with the licence fee. I mean Wossy has signed for 4 years so they are committed to this, but I think it be a little stupid keep hiring high profile broadcaster who ask for a big pay packet to perform. |
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gfloyd
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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Ian Robinson wrote: | gfloyd wrote: | That's easy: same agent. Do you reckon their is something a bit fishy going on there? [alledgedly] |
I do indeed. What with the tentative steps of Davina on Radio 2 and various other John Noel clients cropping up in prime slots on 6Music, it all seems a bit funny.
PS - never said it was hard! |
If that was true, Diarmuid Gavin would be hosting Melodies For you, not Alan Titchmarch. _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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Cherskiy
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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mark occomore wrote: | I suppose the BBC will need to tighten their belts now with the licence fee. I mean Wossy has signed for 4 years so they are committed to this, but I think it be a little stupid keep hiring high profile broadcaster who ask for a big pay packet to perform. |
No, they'll do what they always do - cut back on other things to save money for the inflated fees. Probably sell off the sound library into private hands and rent the tracks back, or something stupid like that. Plenty of BBC departments found their jobs suddenly 'outsourced' in the name of savings during the Birt years. _________________ Author: “To the Ends of the Earth: A Snapshot of Aviation in North-Eastern Siberia, Summer 1992”
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mark occomore
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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Regarding performing if you look at the webcam thread Russell Brand looks like he's performing on stage in front of an audience. Now if that is how he does it, I'm lost for words |
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Cherskiy
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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mark occomore wrote: | Regarding performing if you look at the webcam thread Russell Brand looks like he's performing on stage in front of an audience. Now if that is how he does it, I'm lost for words |
You just want to be thankful he hasn't got his 'little friend' out to play as well, since it's common subject matter.... _________________ Author: “To the Ends of the Earth: A Snapshot of Aviation in North-Eastern Siberia, Summer 1992”
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Ian Robinson Site Admin
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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gfloyd wrote: | If that was true, Diarmuid Gavin would be hosting Melodies For you, not Alan Titchmarch. |
Ha! I think Diarmuid's keeping a low profile at the moment after p*ssing off a lot of people. |
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Lord Evan Elpuss
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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gfloyd wrote: | Of course she did bring Matthew Wright in as well. I must be one of the few people on the planet who actually quite like his daytime radio shows. I'm not overly fond of the Weekender: it just seems to be a lot of talk about nothing much. It could easily be mistaken for the Steve Wright show sometimes. |
I'm sure Matthew Wright joined Radio 2 before Douglas became controller. I can remember him deputising for Steve Wright, Johnnie Walker (Drivetime) and Richard Allinson (when he had the midweek late show before Mark Radcliffe) |
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mark occomore
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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Cherskiy wrote: | mark occomore wrote: | Regarding performing if you look at the webcam thread Russell Brand looks like he's performing on stage in front of an audience. Now if that is how he does it, I'm lost for words |
You just want to be thankful he hasn't got his 'little friend' out to play as well, since it's common subject matter.... |
Check out his homepage and there are some new pictures. He did have his pants on for the photo in question. |
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mark occomore
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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Lord Evan Elpuss wrote: | gfloyd wrote: | Of course she did bring Matthew Wright in as well. I must be one of the few people on the planet who actually quite like his daytime radio shows. I'm not overly fond of the Weekender: it just seems to be a lot of talk about nothing much. It could easily be mistaken for the Steve Wright show sometimes. |
I'm sure Matthew Wright joined Radio 2 before Douglas became controller. I can remember him deputising for Steve Wright, Johnnie Walker (Drivetime) and Richard Allinson (when he had the midweek late show before Mark Radcliffe) |
Lesley was part of the radio 2 set up before becoming controller? |
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Lord Evan Elpuss
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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mark occomore wrote: |
Lesley was part of the radio 2 set up before becoming controller? |
Was she doing the signing then? I'd say that Jim Moir signed Matthew Wright, not Lesley Douglas. |
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mark occomore
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Lord Evan Elpuss
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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OK I'll stand corrected if she did sign him. The only two webcam pics I have of Matthew Wright are dated 2004 (old studios) when it seems she'd only just taken on the position and had yet to spoil things. |
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Helen May
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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Phil is correct Matthew wright sat in for Steve Wright before Lesley Douglas took over in I think 2004.
H _________________ 88 - 91 FM this is Radio 2 from the BBC!
I said it live on air in the studio with Jeremy Vine on 10/3/2005 |
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general numpty
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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An astute manager is a manager with a sound business head. Eg someone in the mould of our old friend John Birt. |
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Rachel Guest
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:07 am Post subject: |
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Behind Geddon's Wall wrote: | Rachel, We have a CEO who is a woman. Having a woman manager is not a problem. It is whether they can do the job. As I have said on several occasions both here and on the old R2 boards, It is the direction that she is taking the station that is of concern to me as a listener.
I know that many have complained about he loss of YHBT, but Maybe Alan Titchmarsh may just give it a tweak.
Messrs Evans, Brand and Ross are not my personal favourites. CE is in the wrong spot, RB is on the wrong station, and JR is probably in the best place |
I said a while back (before the arrival of Chris Evans)on the R2 MB that R2 is slowly turning into R1 of the 80s and early 90s........ I was laughed out of town......
Keep an ear out, late 2007/early 2008 for the return of DLT and the weekend Pub Quiz....... new kid on the block for R2, Wyatt Van-Wendels... ( Essex Fm)..... Alex on a slightly shorter, day-time show......... and !!!!!! ... the return of Radio God - Noel.... for a 3-month sit in ......
Lesley is doing fine.......9/10 but there's room for improvement |
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Behind Geddon's Wall
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:27 am Post subject: |
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I remember Noel's last 3 month stint. It was the last time that our household listened to the radio from 5 to 7 in its entirity. On his last show he (allrgedly) locked the studio door and played "Suicide is Painless" and Captain Beaky.
I was one of those who didn't laugh at your comment about R2, because I heartily agree with it.
To go even further, apart from Alan Titchmarsh, I think we are looking at a second 'Bannister' strategy _________________ Geddon
You simply mustn't blame yourself -- the days were perfect
And so were exactly what I was born to spoil
For I am the Rider to the World's End
Bound across the cinder causeway
From the furnace to the quarry
Through the fields of oil |
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Rachel Guest
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:34 am Post subject: |
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I don't recall those being played... the last track Noel played on air was California Blue by the Big O......
R2 is getting more and more like the R1 of my and Lesley's youth ....... most people become "musically aware" mid to late teens........ count back to when to when Lesley was in her mid to late teens ...... tune into weekday radio 2 and spot the difference..... if you can........
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Ian Robinson Site Admin
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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Rachel wrote: | Keep an ear out, late 2007/early 2008 for the return of DLT and the weekend Pub Quiz... |
I notice that Dermot has revived the Radio 1 Road Show's Bits n Pieces competition! |
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