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mark occomore
Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 9955 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 5:42 pm Post subject: Sick Notes To Be Phased Out |
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Sick Notes which the doctor gives you maybe phased out!! They will be replaced with a " Fit Note".. It will identify what you will be able to or can't do as you return back to work after any illness.
CBI reported that there are 172 million working days lost through sickness in 2007
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7747618.stm
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This will stop some people trying to make out they are worse than they are, and the lazy buggers who can't be bothered to work.
There are also plans to stop mothers who are Claiming Income Support with children over 12 years old. I think there could be a problem with child care costs, and not all employers can fit in hours around school time?
Your thoughts will be grateful...
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Gnasty Gnome
Joined: 28 Jul 2007 Posts: 313 Location: West Wales
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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I assume that the point re. kids under 12 is that they are (I think) legally old enough to be left on their own, although I always thought it was 13.
I don't see the "fit-note" making any difference whatsoever for a lot of people; for example I'm a lorry driver and if I were to be on medication which precluded me from driving, there wouldn't be much point in me returning to work.
I suspect that, as usual, the employers and the taxpayer will bear the brunt of this. |
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SantaFefan
Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 11258 Location: top of the cliffs in Norfolk
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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As an employer, I'm all for a "Fit Note"... it's all far too easy for somebody to be off work for something or other leaving the employer scratching around looking for cover and that isn't always easy.
I suppose it also depends on whether the employee is paid whilst off sick too. If I was paying for somebody to sit at home, I'd rather they came in and answered the phone or something.
If the employee isn't paid for the first three days, then in our case it wouldn't help as we'd have to "double up" on staff costs.
But if I owned say a woodyard, then yes, let them come in and sweep up or paint something... anything.
But that brings up Health & Safety issues doesn't it? " I wasn't taken on to do this" and maybe the Doctor will be headed for trouble too.
I refuse to comment on employees with kids / benefits / maternity pay / flexi time as I'd hang myself.... _________________ Johnnie Walker read out my message on Pirate Radio! 13/8/07
I have heard how radio should be. |
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gfloyd
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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Has anyone told Sarah? And how will Dickie feed his children if there are no more sick days? _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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mark occomore
Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 9955 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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gfloyd wrote: | Has anyone told Sarah? And how will Dickie feed his children if there are no more sick days? |
Fit Note - Sarah will be able to talk. |
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SantaFefan
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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Fit Note - "Chris will only be able to shout at half speed" _________________ Johnnie Walker read out my message on Pirate Radio! 13/8/07
I have heard how radio should be. |
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gfloyd
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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As long as genuinely ill staff dont come to work and spread the bugs to everyone else. Maybe there should be a quarantine zone.
I know some firms have a "special" department for the under performers where they try to manage poorly performing people out of the company by giving them boring & repeatitive work to do. _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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mark occomore
Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 9955 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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gfloyd wrote: | As long as genuinely ill staff dont come to work and spread the bugs to everyone else. Maybe there should be a quarantine zone.
I know some firms have a "special" department for the under performers where they try to manage poorly performing people out of the company by giving them boring & repeatitive work to do. |
Fire Escape or the stairs. |
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The Lamb
Joined: 22 Nov 2008 Posts: 12 Location: Irvine Ayrshire
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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I'm a lorry driver. If i'm unfit to drive or use machinery, what good will it do my employer that i'm able to use a computer, and how would my employer/doctor know that I can?.
Does the doctor get a list of possible jobs people could do, and tick off whatever you might be capable of?. How many options will there be?. Thousands?. Hundreds?.
There are so many pitfalls in the idea, I can see it failing before it even starts. |
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gfloyd
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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The Lamb wrote: | I'm a lorry driver. If i'm unfit to drive or use machinery, what good will it do my employer that i'm able to use a computer, and how would my employer/doctor know that I can?.
Does the doctor get a list of possible jobs people could do, and tick off whatever you might be capable of?. How many options will there be?. Thousands?. Hundreds?.
There are so many pitfalls in the idea, I can see it failing before it even starts. |
I'd imagine they can come up with 5 or 6 categories such as fit for manual labour, fit for sedentary work, fit for light work, fit to work several hours per day, etc _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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The Lamb
Joined: 22 Nov 2008 Posts: 12 Location: Irvine Ayrshire
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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gfloyd wrote: | The Lamb wrote: | I'm a lorry driver. If i'm unfit to drive or use machinery, what good will it do my employer that i'm able to use a computer, and how would my employer/doctor know that I can?.
Does the doctor get a list of possible jobs people could do, and tick off whatever you might be capable of?. How many options will there be?. Thousands?. Hundreds?.
There are so many pitfalls in the idea, I can see it failing before it even starts. |
I'd imagine they can come up with 5 or 6 categories such as fit for manual labour, fit for sedentary work, fit for light work, fit to work several hours per day, etc |
Fairy nuff. If we opt for the standard bad back, how much different would the new system be from the old?. Doc says "light work" patient says "too painful" Doc says "no ability to work". What else can the Doc do?. |
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iwarburton
Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 2133 Location: Northumberland
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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Light work is a very subjective term and for many employers is more bother than it's worth.
Ian. |
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