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Mark Mayhew
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:10 pm Post subject: Why Can't W Have A Break from Jeremy Vine on Bank Holidays |
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Listened to this show whilst driving out and about earlier today.
Not sure why we need a current affairs programme on a Bank Holiday-ideally I would prefer to be entertained by a more music focussed programme.
Indeed I do detect that Jeremy thinks he is a bit of a dj/presenter-he made a couple of quick of the cuff remarks to this effect today. Why not give Jeremy a run out/a try on a music led show-you never know he might be quite good. |
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gfloyd
Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 4861 Location: Here, There, Everywhere.
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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Yet again I find myself agreeing with Mark. _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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Arcader
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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More to the point, why can't we have a permanent break from Vine? He really is from the school of tabloid journalism and doesn't appear to have a clue what he's talking about.
He is also now of course the new presenter of the now extremely dumbed down Panorama. |
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Mark Mayhew
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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Cor wonders never cease Ernie.
How you doing today-no hangover hopefully.
Did you catch Richard Allinson today-he put on a fine performance/ delivered a good show. |
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mark occomore
Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 9955 Location: UK
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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Because it's part of radio 2 to deliver different types of shows which includes news and current affairs etc etc.. |
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Helen May
Joined: 10 Dec 2006 Posts: 19391 Location: Cheshire
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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Nowt wrong with having Jeremy on a bank holiday. The news doesn't stop just because it's a holiday in the UK.....
H _________________ 88 - 91 FM this is Radio 2 from the BBC!
I said it live on air in the studio with Jeremy Vine on 10/3/2005 |
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gfloyd
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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mark occomore wrote: | Because it's part of radio 2 to deliver different types of shows which includes news and current affairs etc etc.. |
Yes but not on holidays. Give us a break from this twaddle please. _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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mark occomore
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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Helen May wrote: | Nowt wrong with having Jeremy on a bank holiday. The news doesn't stop just because it's a holiday in the UK.....
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True Holiday in the UK. |
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gfloyd
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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Helen May wrote: | Nowt wrong with having Jeremy on a bank holiday. The news doesn't stop just because it's a holiday in the UK.....
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Oh but the news does slow down on holidays so Jezza has to scrape the barrel for topics after he has exhausted the main story of the day. I expect the usual topics on Monday like "do we have too many/ too few Bank Holidays" plus other doom mongers will emerge to fill the news vacum _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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Helen May
Joined: 10 Dec 2006 Posts: 19391 Location: Cheshire
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think they were scraping the barrel today at all. In fact the after 1 o'clock topics were as normal. Not everyone likes their routine completely disrupted just because it's a bank holiday!
The rest of the day hasn't been worth listening to either. I missed RA so may listen again as I've switched off the Irish guy and the female.
H _________________ 88 - 91 FM this is Radio 2 from the BBC!
I said it live on air in the studio with Jeremy Vine on 10/3/2005 |
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gfloyd
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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As Mark would say, Something for everyone. _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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mark occomore
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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gfloyd wrote: | As Mark would say, Something for everyone. |
True |
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nod
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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"The rest of the day hasn't been worth listening to either"
Yes usual bank Holiday time fillers whilst the regulars get a day or two off.
As for JV don't like his tabloid news show anyway.
The Hamster made a change, not too exciting and poor format with the regular fillin technique of texting etc to occupy time, but he sounds a nice guy. |
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iain_smith Guest
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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well at least youve got a break from him t his week while hes on holiday.What do you think of Julian Worricker sitting in for him? |
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Behind Geddon's Wall
Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 1553 Location: Kingston Upon Hull/ The Cloud Factory
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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I've not heard him, but he is good on 5 live on a Sunday.
Iain, Long time, no hear. _________________ Geddon
You simply mustn't blame yourself -- the days were perfect
And so were exactly what I was born to spoil
For I am the Rider to the World's End
Bound across the cinder causeway
From the furnace to the quarry
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Cherskiy
Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 3701 Location: near Amble, Northumberland
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:42 am Post subject: |
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Behind Geddon's Wall wrote: | I've not heard him, but he is good on 5 live on a Sunday.
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Sounds more like a serious journalist than JV, who I have less and less time for these days. _________________ Author: “To the Ends of the Earth: A Snapshot of Aviation in North-Eastern Siberia, Summer 1992”
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Toggy tea slurper Guest
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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I think he's pretty good, I don't mind JV but I find his voice grates after a while. |
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nod
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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He sounds much better than JV and his usual standins, except Kirsty Young who is good. |
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Behind Geddon's Wall
Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 1553 Location: Kingston Upon Hull/ The Cloud Factory
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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We could launch a campaign to replace JV with Julian Worricker. _________________ Geddon
You simply mustn't blame yourself -- the days were perfect
And so were exactly what I was born to spoil
For I am the Rider to the World's End
Bound across the cinder causeway
From the furnace to the quarry
Through the fields of oil |
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Cherskiy
Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 3701 Location: near Amble, Northumberland
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, I'd probably support that, or at least someone who was a little bit more serious and didn't keep raising his voice several octaves every time a comment needed to be put across.
The more I listen to JV, the less I like - I haven't watched Panorama since it switched to the new slot because I just know I'll hate it. He was okay on the Politics Show when that began, because it was meant to be serious journalism, although even that started to go downhill a year or two back and I stopped watching it. The way he changes his voice when reading out the e-mails and texts - especially at the end of a sentence - is really beginning to grate on me.
I'm not wanting to be entertained in a news and current affairs slot - simply informed. Is that so difficult for the BBC to manage nowadays, or does everything have to be dumbed down? _________________ Author: “To the Ends of the Earth: A Snapshot of Aviation in North-Eastern Siberia, Summer 1992”
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mark occomore
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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News dosn't stop because there is a bank holiday......... |
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firewirefred Guest
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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But what is News???? Reith might have described the BBC and public service broadcasting as the Window on the World, but who decides where the window is to be - and how big is it?
The JV show is not a news programme - it is really a news analysis show mixed with L/E elements to give it a balance, so it can be dispensed with for a day here and there.
Heaven knows, there really is enough news analysis around the various outlets of the Beeb these days......
...... to much, in my opinion.
And I prefer not to listen to JV these days as well - what gets my goat is the way he gets rid of callers whilst they are in mid-flow and leaves them in limbo. I would be angry if he did that to me. |
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Lord Evan Elpuss
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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I wonder if two hours is long enough for that show. I does seem rushed some days, like the topic hasn't had enough time for proper discussion & comment before it's time to move on to the next one. _________________ Lord Evan Elpuss, Your ideal job is a Lumberjack. |
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nod
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Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 7:17 am Post subject: |
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Lord Evan Elpuss wrote: | I wonder if two hours is long enough for that show. I does seem rushed some days, like the topic hasn't had enough time for proper discussion & comment before it's time to move on to the next one. |
Not that I want more of JV but I'v ealways said 20mins / topic is not enough time to discuss anything. |
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Rob
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Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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JV's show isn't designed to be informative. It's designed to fill air time and to encourage audience participation.
Clearly, current affairs have to be presented with a lighter touch on Radio 2 than they are on Radio 4. But Jimmy Young managed that for a great many years, allowing more time each for fewer topics. He was nicer to callers, too, rarely cutting them off in the middle of a well-reasoned point. When JV took over I started wondering if the producers were afraid of a well-reasoned point, so many were cut off in mid flow. The cynical might say that the producers were afraid that one point, well made, might kill a subject before it got going. That, at least, seems to have improved a little.
JV is capable of good journalism - at his best, he was excellent on Newnight. He obviously likes his music, too. But he's moved from The Times territory to somewhere between the Daily Mail and The Sun (presentation and production values, not political values!). Too many of the "discussions" on topics are carried out by people who have been chosed to generate more heat than light.
There are bits of decent presentation in between the hype. The Health Hour on a Monday is usually value for money, for example (assuming it doesn't make you feel queasy!). So it can be done, and Vine can do it. Just give him some production values and support worth of the letters "BBC".
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Cherskiy
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 7:05 am Post subject: |
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Rob wrote: | JV is capable of good journalism - at his best, he was excellent on Newnight. He obviously likes his music, too. But he's moved from The Times territory to somewhere between the Daily Mail and The Sun (presentation and production values, not political values!). Too many of the "discussions" on topics are carried out by people who have been chosed to generate more heat than light.
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Spot on, Rob - it's almost as if spokespersons for each side of the argument in play are chosen because they will spark off each other rather than engage in a serious discussion. It's got to the point where I can almost predict who will feature in a given debate.
As you say, JV was a good journalist before the "dumbing down" set in and does appreciate his music, but the show isn't really a format for either, IMHO. It falls between two stools here, never really managing to accomplish anything (apart from the medical spot as you've already stated, plus the money-saving tips).
I'm happy to listen to Brian Hayes when he stands in as he seems to have mastered the act of having a lighter tone with a serious edge behind it. _________________ Author: “To the Ends of the Earth: A Snapshot of Aviation in North-Eastern Siberia, Summer 1992”
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Helen May
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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It's not Jeremy who chooses the topics that feature on the show or the guests who participate. That is down the Editor and the various producers on the show.
Also the editor is the same guy who did the job for the last 10 years of the Jimmy Young prog......
H _________________ 88 - 91 FM this is Radio 2 from the BBC!
I said it live on air in the studio with Jeremy Vine on 10/3/2005 |
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Toggy tea slurper Guest
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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I know it's not Jeremy's fault but it would be good if they could have a little longer on each subject, sometimes it seems like they are over before they have begun. Maybe choosing less topics could be the answer. |
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Cherskiy
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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Helen May wrote: | It's not Jeremy who chooses the topics that feature on the show or the guests who participate. That is down the Editor and the various producers on the show.
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That's no doubt so, Helen, but JV is still, IMHO, a contributing factor to the largely dumbed-down programme we have today, due to his increasingly lowest-common-denominator style of presentation. I try to avoid the show now when possible, and only regularly tune in when I know there's someone else standing in - Brian Hayes, for instance. _________________ Author: “To the Ends of the Earth: A Snapshot of Aviation in North-Eastern Siberia, Summer 1992”
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Helen May
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Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 10:30 am Post subject: |
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Well I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one as I mostly find Jeremy fine.
I mention the topics situation because it's usually that which people are moaning about. I've been in the studio and seen the show go out, so can only report what I've seen.
H _________________ 88 - 91 FM this is Radio 2 from the BBC!
I said it live on air in the studio with Jeremy Vine on 10/3/2005 |
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