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mark occomore
Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 9955 Location: UK
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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 9:33 am Post subject: Radio Rewind - Archive shows |
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There are some archive Radio 1 and 2 shows available at Radio Rewind now from 60's & 70's to buy.
http://www.radiorewind.co.uk/orderform.php |
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Helen May
Joined: 10 Dec 2006 Posts: 19391 Location: Cheshire
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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 11:12 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for that Mark!
Interesting site a couple I wouldn't mind hearing.
H _________________ 88 - 91 FM this is Radio 2 from the BBC!
I said it live on air in the studio with Jeremy Vine on 10/3/2005 |
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ruddlescat
Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 18010 Location: Near Chester
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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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The site is run by a guy down in Merthyr Tydfil who I have spoken with a couple of times
He's a great music lover and there's some very interesting stuff on there
I'll certainly be having a look _________________ Are you ready for a Ruddles? |
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ColinB Guest
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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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Hmmmm. Looks to me like there are some breaches of copyright there! Selling copies of BBC programming? Wonder what BBC World would have to say about that? |
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ruddlescat
Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 18010 Location: Near Chester
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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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Colin, I remember Peta talking about this on the old R2 Messageboards
She was pumping me for information but at a very early stage I decided I didn't like her so I don't think I gave anything away
The only problem with the site is that it is prone to crashing because it just does not have the capacity for the number of users which is proof in itself that it's a great site _________________ Are you ready for a Ruddles? |
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ColinB Guest
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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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ruddlescat wrote: | She was pumping me for information but at a very early stage I decided I didn't like her so I don't think I gave anything away |
I'm surprised she felt that it was down to her to investigate, to be honest, because the Beeb will be perfectly aware of what's going on. I bet it gets clamped on sooner or later.
I remember, a few years back, a CD from an up-coming-band which contained clips from their radio appearances - including the John Peel Show - and they were told to withdraw it by BBC lawyers because it contained segments of an interview by Mr. Peel himself. Oddly, they didn't seem bothered about the music which was recorded by the Beeb at the Maida Vale studios and therefore BBC copyright too. |
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ruddlescat
Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 18010 Location: Near Chester
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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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The site has been there for more than five years and provides recordings of some shows which apparently the BBC cannot provide copies of because apparently in the 60s and early 70s the BBC was in the habit of broadcasting live output without having any record of the programme concerned which to me as a lawyer strikes me as complete madness
After all if some random person sues the BBC for defamation how on earth would they be able to defend the case?
I'm not sure I believe the official BBC line on this but people can make up their own minds _________________ Are you ready for a Ruddles? |
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ColinB Guest
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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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ruddlescat wrote: | The site has been there for more than five years and provides recordings of some shows which apparently the BBC cannot provide copies of because apparently in the 60s and early 70s the BBC was in the habit of broadcasting live output without having any record of the programme concerned which to me as a lawyer strikes me as complete madness |
Either scripts/transcripts or - for unscripted shows - "logging recordings" have been retained for all broadcast output for many years, but such recordings haven't always been at broadcast specification. It was just too expensive an undertaking - especially for television.
ruddlescat wrote: | After all if some random person sues the BBC for defamation how on earth would they be able to defend the case?
I'm not sure I believe the official BBC line on this but people can make up their own minds |
I don't quite get what you mean by the above - but surely it's a simple "breach of copyright" issue, exacerbated by the fact that the site owner is actually requiring payment in exchange for copyrighted material? |
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ruddlescat
Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 18010 Location: Near Chester
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 12:05 am Post subject: |
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Colin, what I'm saying is that the BBC claims it does not have recordings of shows broadcast around 40 years ago
However if someone sued the BBC for defamation based on something which was said on the BBC within the prescribed time limit for such action it would be very embarrasing for the BBC if they did not have a recording of the offending comment in order to prove their case
Strictly speaking they could ask the other party for disclosure of evidence but that would be embarrasing to say the least
Whilst I don't know whether recordings NOW exist of these programmes I simply do not believe that they were not made and retained for at least the statutory period for legal action because to do otherwise would be completely mad and if the BBC had any sense these copies ofshows could have been sold years later for a very good price _________________ Are you ready for a Ruddles? |
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ColinB Guest
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 12:15 am Post subject: |
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ruddlescat wrote: | Colin, what I'm saying is that the BBC claims it does not have recordings of shows broadcast around 40 years ago
However if someone sued the BBC for defamation based on something which was said on the BBC within the prescribed time limit for such action it would be very embarrasing for the BBC if they did not have a recording of the offending comment in order to prove their case
Strictly speaking they could ask the other party for disclosure of evidence but that would be embarrasing to say the least
Whilst I don't know whether recordings NOW exist of these programmes I simply do not believe that they were not made and retained for at least the statutory period for legal action because to do otherwise would be completely mad and if the BBC had any sense these copies ofshows could have been sold years later for a very good price |
As I mentioned above, the corporation did, as a rule, keep what are called "logging copies"; these are low-quality copies usually recorded to 1/4" tape at 1 7/8ips speed (compared to full broadcast spec 15ips or even 30ips). Where programmes were scripted, these were retained instead. I've worked in broadcasting ops where all output has to be saved this way for at least 3 months in case a segment needs to be reviewed by the appropriate regulator. When I worked for a cable/satellite operator we used to be spot-checked by the IBA, as it was then, who would request a copy of a programme to be submitted by a certain date. They did it just to test compliance.
However, the BBC certainly didn't record the general run of radio programming at "broadcast" spec because of the cost of doing so (more than just the cost of 10" NAB tape spools). If such recordings exist, it's because the producing department covered such cost out of its budget.
Anyhow, the point I'm making is a different one. My question relates to the issue of Copyright. I cannot believe that the BBC is happy to see copies of its programming being offered FOR SALE outside its own control. |
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mark occomore
Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 9955 Location: UK
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:41 am Post subject: |
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Alan Davis who runs Radio Rewind has permission from the BBC to sell copies of BBC programmes etc, etc. I have in the past been happy to help Radio Rewind with old Radio 1 material. |
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