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iain_smith Guest
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:33 pm Post subject: should Russel Brand and Jonathon Ross be sacked? |
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you know what im referring to-should they pay the ultimate price for whatthey did? Would we miss either of them on radio 2? |
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johnump
Joined: 30 Mar 2008 Posts: 172 Location: Location Location
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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I would really miss JR on saturday mornings. I think his show just hits the right note before the dire comedy hour. However Brand would not be missed at all in my opinion. _________________
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iain_smith Guest
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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cant get rid of just one of them-theyre both in this togetehr! |
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SantaFefan
Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 11258 Location: top of the cliffs in Norfolk
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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Get rid of them both of them I say. There's no excuse for this shameful behaviour. The BBC should do something about it.
I might miss Jonathon Ross a little but I'm also sick of hearing about how rich he is, how much money he spends and all about his family.. he's old news now. Lets have the superior Mark Radcliffe or Mark Lamarr on Saturdays. _________________ Johnnie Walker read out my message on Pirate Radio! 13/8/07
I have heard how radio should be.
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John W
Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 3367 Location: Warwickshire, UK
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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I vote get rid of both.
A good lawyer should have words with Sachs and suggest take them to the cleaners, prosecute.
The BBC said the incident was 'unacceptable' yet it was recorded and broadcast, so producer and controller should be sacked and prosecuted too. |
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Behind Geddon's Wall
Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 1553 Location: Kingston Upon Hull/ The Cloud Factory
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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Short answer - Yes
Please also include the lady that employed them. _________________ Geddon
You simply mustn't blame yourself -- the days were perfect
And so were exactly what I was born to spoil
For I am the Rider to the World's End
Bound across the cinder causeway
From the furnace to the quarry
Through the fields of oil |
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Helen May
Joined: 10 Dec 2006 Posts: 19391 Location: Cheshire
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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For it to have gone out live would have been bad but for it to have been recorded and still allowed to be broadcast is disgraceful IMHO.
Both of them should be sacked. It's about time someone was made an example of, as people are getting fed up with Brand's antics and to a lesser degree Ross's as well.
H _________________ 88 - 91 FM this is Radio 2 from the BBC!
I said it live on air in the studio with Jeremy Vine on 10/3/2005 |
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Clive55
Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 1336
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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They should both bve sacked & they should both be jailed
What they did is a criminal offence
And lesley whatsername should go down with them
The show was pre recorded. Mr Sachs complained about the obscene, abusive & threatening phone calls. He asked that they not be broadcast
The boss lady od Radio 2 ignored his plea, & gave the show the go ahead. She thought the abusive phone calls "hillarious"
calls into question her judgement to say the least
A long delayed BBC apoology is not enough
No indication the BBC will sack or even have a harsh word with Brand & Ross.
This is a disgrace. The BBC has gone down the tube |
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Clive55
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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Helen May wrote: | For it to have gone out live would have been bad but for it to have been recorded and still allowed to be broadcast is disgraceful IMHO.
Both of them should be sacked. It's about time someone was made an example of, as people are getting fed up with Brand's antics and to a lesser degree Ross's as well.
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I agree. And Lesley whathername, who congratulated Brand 7 Ross on their "hillarious" prank should be sacked too for ordering that it be broadcast |
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Clive55
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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Behind Geddon's Wall wrote: | Short answer - Yes
Please also include the lady that employed them. |
Exatly. Not only employed them, but made the judgement that the pre recorded shows, including the abusive, obscene & libelous phone calls should be broadcast to the nation
Even now when Radio 2 has opologised, SHE HAS REFUSED TO DO So |
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Clive55
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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John W wrote: | I vote get rid of both.
A good lawyer should have words with Sachs and suggest take them to the cleaners, prosecute.
The BBC said the incident was 'unacceptable' yet it was recorded and broadcast, so producer and controller should be sacked and prosecuted too. |
Yes. Bewlatedly they found it unacceptable
But Lesley Douglas insisted it be broadcast |
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gfloyd
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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I think Douglas has to go as well. _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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Toggy
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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Both should be sacked immediately. |
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Mark Mayhew
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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I agree-Brand, Ross and Douglas should all fall on their sword and be sacked/shown the door immediately.
It won't happen though-no not at all. |
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Toggy
Joined: 18 Aug 2008 Posts: 1239
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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Nope, it will just get brushed under the carpet and forgotten about no doubt.
These two make me sick I don't don't wish to see either of their sorry, pathetic faces again. |
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Clive55
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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Toggy wrote: | Nope, it will just get brushed under the carpet and forgotten about no doubt.
These two make me sick I don't don't wish to see either of their sorry, pathetic faces again. |
I agree totally |
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iain_smith Guest
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with those who say Lesley Douglas should lose her job over this |
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mark occomore
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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I think this episode goes too show the mis - management and the state of the BBC is in at present? It would cost the BBC a lot of money to remove Wossy etc from the corporation? In the situation at present.' I hope that they have learn't lessons? I think they need to look at there editorial side of things? Pre recorded or not, someone needs to be accountable within BBC Radio 2 letting this recorded show go to air, as this could happen again?
Look and learn from the angry licence payers. |
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MadeinSurrey
Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 3130 Location: The Beautiful South
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:13 am Post subject: |
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Brand, Ross and Douglas should all lose their jobs, but it won't happen.
I feel utterly appalled by this revolting event, I've always loathed Brand and avoided Ross but this is beyond the pale. The thought that even 1p of my licence fee goes toward Brand makes me feel sick, why on earth was he put on R2 in the first place?
No doubt Lesley "teflon" Douglas will get away scot free, but how can the BBC justify keeping Brand? _________________ MiS |
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SantaFefan
Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 11258 Location: top of the cliffs in Norfolk
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:20 am Post subject: |
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Didn't Kenny Everett ( who had more talent in his little finger than these two jokers put together ) lose his job because of a much less serious remark about the Transport Ministers' wife?
Mind you, maybe that was back when the Beeb had standards. _________________ Johnnie Walker read out my message on Pirate Radio! 13/8/07
I have heard how radio should be. |
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RockitRon
Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 7646
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:31 am Post subject: |
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People have been sacked for a lot less: Kenny Everett for merely hinting in jest something about the wife of a Government minister, then all those poor scapegoats of the faked phone votes to name Blue Peter kittens last year.
Unless Andrew Sachs sues and wins, I would think that any action to terminate the contracts of Messrs Ross Brand and Douglas would be costly, and therefore counter-productive. "There is no such thing as bad publicity, except your own obituary" quoth Brendan Behan; like Julian Clary's infamous comment at the 1993 Comedy Awards, I suspect that, once the dust has settled, they will wear the controversy like a badge of honour. Sad but highly likely.
(Edited - too many "suspects") _________________ Ron
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Rachel Guest
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:33 am Post subject: |
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In my experience of large organisations - once a complaint goes outside the department, and up to the umbrella corporation i.e. "The BBC Big Cheese" not just Radio 2, then, the consequences are usually more serious for everyone involved.
The whole thing hasn’t been very “BBC” at all – the benchmark of the broadcasting world- the organisation all other broadcasters aspire to be, should be, beyond reproach.
In the final analysis though, one may conclude that the listeners (that’s us) are partly to blame - if we didn’t listen to it, it wouldn’t be on. In a supply on demand environment with - listener targets and regular league tables of listener figures we are partly (at least) responsible for the output, and of course, it’s our BBC, so it must be our fault. |
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MadeinSurrey
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:35 am Post subject: |
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SantaFefan wrote: | Didn't Kenny Everett ( who had more talent in his little finger than these two jokers put together ) lose his job because of a much less serious remark about the Transport Ministers' wife?
Mind you, maybe that was back when the Beeb had standards. |
Very well said. Obviously standards are now so low they barely get off the ground, hence the gutter where these people belong. A very sad day. _________________ MiS |
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gfloyd
Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 4861 Location: Here, There, Everywhere.
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:36 am Post subject: |
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What's all this about 2m listeners to Brand's show? Surely that cant be right. That slot was getting about 500k per hour until recently. I cant believe Brand has grown the listenership by much. _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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MadeinSurrey
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:38 am Post subject: |
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2m is fantasy land. there's no way a Saturday night show on 2 would get that many, and I doubt there can be that many sick people in Britain..though on second thoughts... _________________ MiS |
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Ian Robinson Site Admin
Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 3611 Location: Chorley, Lancashire
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:12 am Post subject: |
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Rachel wrote: | In the final analysis though, one may conclude that the listeners (that’s us) are partly to blame - if we didn’t listen to it, it wouldn’t be on. |
Yes, but as Ernie and MIS say... who actually listens? I thought the figures for Brand was around 400k, with ain't much in the grand scheme of Radio 2. |
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mark occomore
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:17 am Post subject: |
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There are reports that the complaints are around 400,000 and rising.
I can see both of them will not be on air this weekend? |
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Helen May
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:25 am Post subject: |
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With a producer, Nic Philps, aged only 25 is it any wonder that we get programmes that sound like they should have gone out on Radio 1?
They should both go and the pressure should be kept up until they do.
H _________________ 88 - 91 FM this is Radio 2 from the BBC!
I said it live on air in the studio with Jeremy Vine on 10/3/2005 |
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MadeinSurrey
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:32 am Post subject: |
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Good point, H, which only illustrates the wider argument that R2 has several shows that would be better placed on R1. There's no doubt that under LD R2 has lost its way. _________________ MiS |
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Ian Robinson Site Admin
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:03 am Post subject: |
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To be fair, radio producers are usually that age, aren't they? I think the producers of Radio 4's Just A Minute and the The News Quiz are in their twenties. And Dermot's producer is about the same, but seems to do a decent job. Chris Evans started as a producer in his twenties.
The problem for Brand's producer is that even on a normal day he has to balance what's 'decent' and what's expected of him, a situation that no doubt gets much harder with two powerful personalities who think they're right all the time. Ultimately, he must deliver the sort of show that management expects and hired the presenter for - so I believe responsibility lies with management.
However, as Liz Kershaw's producer will tell you, in Douglas's Empire when you follow policy and get caught out you're stuffed. |
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NickSheffield
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:11 am Post subject: |
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Ian Robinson wrote: | To be fair, radio producers are usually that age, aren't they? I think the producers of Radio 4's Just A Minute and the The News Quiz are in their twenties. And Dermot's producer is about the same, but seems to do a decent job. Chris Evans started as a producer in his twenties.
The problem for Brand's producer is that even on a normal day he has to balance what's 'decent' and what's expected of him, a situation that no doubt gets much harder with two powerful personalities who think they're right all the time. Ultimately, he must deliver the sort of show that management expects and hired the presenter for - so I believe responsibility lies with management.
However, as Liz Kershaw's producer will tell you, in Douglas's Empire when you follow policy and get caught out you're stuffed. |
The producer can only be held responsible (if at all) for the content being broadcast; the blame for the unfunny and indecent behaviour lands squarely with the presenters - and it's with the behaviour and not the broadcast that we should be taking issue. The problem is, now OfCom has got involved, it will become all about the broadcast with the upset to Sachs' life becoming possibly forgotten. I hope this doesn't happen. |
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Angela W
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:47 am Post subject: |
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Yes I think they have brought shame on the BBC and they should be sacked. It is not the BBC's place to be apologising for this disgraceful pair and the best thing the BBC could do is get rid of them both.
When the BBC had standards, they sacked Kenny Everett for suggesting that the Transport Minister's wife had passed her Advanced Driving Test by giving the examiner a bung. This is FAR, FAR WORSE!
Wake up BBC and pay some better people with our licence money. I strongly object to Messrs Ross and Brand getting any of it!
Angela
My apologies to SantaFefan, I was fuming so much I missed that you had already quoted the Cuddly Ken incident. |
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iain_smith Guest
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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its seriously starting to look like they both face the boot now-something i thought was unthinkable till now....if its a choice between Lesley Douglas sacking them or falling on her own sword what do you think she'll do....
ps is it too premature to speculate on who would take over the saturday 10am slot..? |
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gfloyd
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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iain_smith wrote: | ps is it too premature to speculate on who would take over the saturday 10am slot..? |
Mark Lamarr. Somebody who wont offend anybody! _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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mark occomore
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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Shhhhhhhhhhhh he could take over, you know who I mean? |
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SantaFefan
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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You don't mean... tricky Dickie? _________________ Johnnie Walker read out my message on Pirate Radio! 13/8/07
I have heard how radio should be. |
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gfloyd
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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SantaFefan wrote: | You don't mean... tricky Dickie? |
doesnt he do local radio on that day? _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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SantaFefan
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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I wouldn't know. _________________ Johnnie Walker read out my message on Pirate Radio! 13/8/07
I have heard how radio should be. |
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Ian Robinson Site Admin
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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iain_smith wrote: | its seriously starting to look like they both face the boot now-something i thought was unthinkable till now....if its a choice between Lesley Douglas sacking them or falling on her own sword what do you think she'll do....
ps is it too premature to speculate on who would take over the saturday 10am slot..? |
Oh give over. Brand and Ross will carry on. There's a lot more to this story than has been reported so far. |
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