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iain_smith Guest
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:38 am Post subject: Sarah Kenedy to be axed at xmas |
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Following yet another offensive remark on air I believe it is time for Sarah Kennedy to be moved away from her daily show.I suggest that when Parky leaves at xmas that Lesley Douglas make a major overhaul of the schedules either demotimg SK to sundays or axing her altogether.Why is this woman still employed by the BBC after all the incidents involvimg her over the years.I for one refuse to tolerate her on the weekday schedule any longer.Anyone agree? |
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Scott_Nelson Guest
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:42 am Post subject: |
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I hope this is true! I'd favour Sarah Kennedy being pensioned off. Sundays are bad enough on Radio 2, so why make them worse by moving Sarah Kennedy there?
Aled Jones for the Dawn Patrol; Simon Mayo for Good Morning Sunday. |
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Rachel Guest
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:05 am Post subject: Re: Sarah Kenedy to be axed at xmas |
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iain_smith wrote: | Following yet another offensive remark on air I believe it is time for Sarah Kennedy to be moved away from her daily show.I suggest that when Parky leaves at xmas that Lesley Douglas make a major overhaul of the schedules either demotimg SK to sundays or axing her altogether.Why is this woman still employed by the BBC after all the incidents involvimg her over the years.I for one refuse to tolerate her on the weekday schedule any longer.Anyone agree? |
Iain
you missed the all important question mark from the thread title.
Sarah Kenedy to be axed at xmas
Answer: No. |
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gfloyd
Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 4861 Location: Here, There, Everywhere.
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:21 am Post subject: |
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Q: What are you getting for Christmas this year?
A: Axed.
Unlikely _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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RockitRon
Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 7646
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:25 am Post subject: |
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Oh what fun it is to live in the UK in 2007 where a tiny minority of people are so senisitve and the press so gullible as to give them such a powerful voice.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7071592.stm
Or, better, with a nice photograph of her
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/showbiznews.html?in_article_id=490811&in_page_id=1773
Interesting how it took a few days to for it to come to their attention.
As far as I can see it was a personal and quite accurate observation. It is impossible, even on a street that is lit, to see these people who like to dress in dark or black clothing, sometimes purposely to make themselves invisible, until they open their mouth (and they are usually blessed with very white teeth).
I don't really care for Sarah's almost unique brand of presentation but she and Terry, who has also taken some stick this week, have a very substantial audience who don't make such a study of every little remark and are perfectly happy with them. Anyway, much better them than the idiot on Radio 1 or the countless clones and double acts on commercial radio. _________________ Ron |
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Helen May
Joined: 10 Dec 2006 Posts: 19391 Location: Cheshire
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 11:53 am Post subject: |
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RockitRon wrote: | As far as I can see it was a personal and quite accurate observation. It is impossible, even on a street that is lit, to see these people who like to dress in dark or black clothing, sometimes purposely to make themselves invisible, until they open their mouth (and they are usually blessed with very white teeth). |
Exactly! Why have they campaigned for kids to wear something bright on their way to school all these years?
Even if you don't like what she said, it's true.
H _________________ 88 - 91 FM this is Radio 2 from the BBC!
I said it live on air in the studio with Jeremy Vine on 10/3/2005 |
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Scott_Nelson Guest
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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I know John Wright will moan at me for posting this (and probably disgrace me on the forum like he has Firewirefred in the Suggestions segment of the forum), but I don't give a hoot.
Sarah Kennedy is boring and depressing. She makes early mornings on Radio 2 sound dull and depressing. She sounds like an "old prune" herself (never mind her calling the Pause for Thought presenter one).
The sooner she's pensioned off (or leaves on her own accord), the better early mornings will sound on Radio 2. She is a disgrace to broadcasting. |
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Helen May
Joined: 10 Dec 2006 Posts: 19391 Location: Cheshire
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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So why do it Scott, we've heard it all before?
H _________________ 88 - 91 FM this is Radio 2 from the BBC!
I said it live on air in the studio with Jeremy Vine on 10/3/2005 |
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Scott_Nelson Guest
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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Because I want to voice my opinion - just like those who often support her.
I could well say that I've heard it all before from her fans whom often praise her to the high heavens. |
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iwarburton
Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 2133 Location: Northumberland
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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Do those who make a tremendous noise about alleged slights like this actually score an own goal in doing so?
I didn't hear the original remarks and, if the howls of anguish hadn't been reported so widely, might never have known that they were made. There must be others in the same situation.
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RockitRon
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, me as well.
As to "old prune", well that's her attraction, and bearing in mind she's no older than some of us here who still feel in our prime, less of the old! _________________ Ron |
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mark occomore
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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Personal did the press need to bring this up? NO!!!!!!!!!! It's like they are trying to get the listeners to comment about her on the message boards.
I doubt she will get sacked over this. We are all getting sucked into the press comments. Oh, sounding like Heather Mills |
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firewirefred Guest
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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mark occomore wrote: | Personal did the press need to bring this up? |
The press didn't bring it up. She did - by speaking out of term (again). She really ought to engage her brain before her gob more often. |
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mark occomore
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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firewirefred wrote: | mark occomore wrote: | Personal did the press need to bring this up? |
The press didn't bring it up. She did - by speaking out of term (again). She really ought to engage her brain before her gob more often. |
Did the press need to print the story? No!! It's another anti against Sarah. Sorry too say that, but it's true.. |
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firewirefred Guest
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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mark occomore wrote: | Did the press need to print the story? No!! It's another anti against Sarah. Sorry too say that, but it's true.. |
You could apply that principle of the press "needing to print the story" to anything - and at what point do others then proclaim an act of censorship taking place?
The BBC is accountable to licence-payers and to UK society as a whole - and really cannot be seen to be allowing this kind of nonsense on air. It's by no means the first time she's gaffed in this way (and she doesn't seem to care, that's the odd thing about it) so by doing nothing the BBC is effectively condoning it. |
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Scott_Nelson Guest
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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Mark Occomore wrote:
Quote: | Did the press need to print the story? No!! It's another anti against Sarah. Sorry too say that, but it's true.. |
Mark, what else do you expect when Sarah Kennedy once again stirs up a hornet's nest? She opens herself up to attacks from the media and general public. Lesley Douglas should just sack her. Problem is then solved. |
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gfloyd
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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I dont think her comments are offensive at all.
Cant see what the fuss is about on this one, I'm afraid. _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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Rob
Joined: 27 Feb 2007 Posts: 163 Location: Leicester
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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J_ROC72 wrote: | Mark Occomore wrote:
Quote: | Did the press need to print the story? No!! It's another anti against Sarah. Sorry too say that, but it's true.. |
Mark, what else do you expect when Sarah Kennedy once again stirs up a hornet's nest? She opens herself up to attacks from the media and general public. Lesley Douglas should just sack her. Problem is then solved. |
I like presenters to stir up hornets' nests, particularly when the stirring is against the PC brigade. To drop someone for making a true, if uncomforable, statement would be one more step towards the bland.
I'm not surprised that Sarah mentioned this episode. Near misses like this are nerve wracking and mentioning it could be considered a public service if it makes people, erm, "relect" on making themselves visible on the roads at night. One life saved, even one injury saved, would be worth the brickbats.
I mean, we don't complain when a doctor tells us that our ethniic origin makes us more or less likely to have a particular genetic disorder. Why should we object to it being pointed out that black people reflect less light than white people and this is a problem on the roads?? As I understand it, she didn't say the chap in question was inferior to a white pedestrian, just difficult to see.
We're all equal, but that doesn't mean that we're all the same.
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John W
Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 3367 Location: Warwickshire, UK
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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Scott and Iain, you're just taking advantage of this story to rant about a show you don't even listen to.
That would be like me ranting about Jeremy Vine because he said something that I didn't hear because I never listen to his show.
I think Sarah has made a very good point. A black person in black clothes at 4.00am is a greater risk than
a white person in black clothes
who is also at more risk than
a black person in a light coat.
I expect the nearly-knocked-down person will still wear dark clothes tomorrow morning
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gfloyd
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not black, but if I was, I wouldn't want to be run over for the sake of political correctness! _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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firewirefred Guest
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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The point is being missed. The point is not really about what she said in this particular instance, the point is that it's yet another instance of SK opening her gob before considering the impact of what such comments might, or might not, have.
I remember that morning back in August when she'd apparently been out on the juice until the early wee hours, and she read a newspaper cutting which referred to British troops in Afghanistan. In a slurred voice she commented: "I don't understand why they're there. They shouldn't be there. We should get them out and home and be done with it".
Now, whether or not we might agree with her sentiments, the fact is that she's not in any position - contractually or otherwise - to express her own particular views in such a forthright manner. It wasn't the first time, either.
She must be made to realise this - and it's the duty of her managers to make her realise this. If she doesn't take heed of such warnings then she must get out.
As I said before, she needs to see that the brain part of her body is engaged before the gob part. |
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gfloyd
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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firewirefred wrote: | The point is being missed. The point is not really about what she said in this particular instance, |
Oh no its not.
Unless you have an agenda running against her, of course. _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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MadeinSurrey
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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Well done Iain Smith for starting this thread
Words fail me - leave the poor woman alone. _________________ MiS |
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seymourwhitebits
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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political correctness is the language of cowardice. there was a dwarf (and no i dont mean a person of restricted height or elongatedly challenged!!!!)on deal or no deal tonight (yes i know its not bbc but its relevant)
he came out with so many "short" jokes it was untrue. if noel had said them the pc brigade would be calling for his dismissal as being offensive to all people of reduced stature.
the usual pc response would be that he has the right to say these things because he is taking the mick out of himself. thats true BUT what about those others of restricted size ( or lets face the facts its usually someone who has "a very good friend" who is one ) who dont share his obvious confidence in himself as a person. is he therefore guilty of being politically incorrect and offensive to other dwarfs?
If i cant say these jokes but he can isnt that discriminating against me? (and i do mean joking with him and not deliberately trying to insult him) doesnt that discrimination infringe my human rights to be able to say the same things as another person?
i suffer from gout (hardly in the same league i know but i digress) and because of this i limp every so often. i get called hop along and sir limpsalot. i know these remarks are made in jest as was sarahs comment ( and no i am not a fan of hers so no irrational support for her is forthcoming from me!!!) but if i was half as petty as the pc brigade i would be running to the boss demanding people get sacked for taking the mick out of what is a very painful time for me.
if sarah had unleashed a shedful of venom at black peolple that would certainly have merited calls for dismissal and possible police involvement and i for one would be in full support. however all she did was make a quip that i have heard said in the company of black friends who have been the first to laugh. you cant please all the people all the time and it would be unwise to even try.
ps. ive also noticed that its a certain section of the white population who tend to get their knickers in a twist over stuff like this whereas my black friends( yes i know that sounds like a cliche but yes i do have black friends and good ones at that) tend to just scoff at it. strange that isnt it? _________________ "Timpani!, Timpani!, They've all got it Timpani!"- All drummers know the pain of skin trouble. |
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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gfloyd wrote: | firewirefred wrote: | The point is being missed. The point is not really about what she said in this particular instance, |
Oh no its not.
Unless you have an agenda running against her, of course. |
Oh yes it is, and no I don't. That's ridiculous. I listen to the woman in the morning (by default, admittedly) which is more than I can stand to do with the idiot at 5.00pm! |
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John W
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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firewirefred wrote: |
another instance of SK opening her gob before considering the impact of what such comments might, or might not, have
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That is correct fwf, I do agree with that. She never prepares for what she's saying, if she had said something like "I nearly knocked down a pedestrian today in the dark dressed in dark clothes, and him being black made it worse, at the last moment I saw his teeth" that would have been better, but you're right she says things the wrong way.
Quote: | She must be made to realise this - and it's the duty of her managers to make her realise this. If she doesn't take heed of such warnings then she must get out. |
She is made aware of it, through the apologies that are published by the BBC, and you are right to suggest she takes no heed as it's always the BBC making the apologies rather than Sarah herself.
This suggests she thinks she said nothing wrong. I don't think she said anything wrong but she could have said it better.
My extended family is mixed race and nobody in our family, white, brown or black wears light-coloured clothing - it's not fashionable
We all drive silver cars though
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Toggy tea slurper Guest
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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Pathetic thread title and so misleading. I don't like the woman particulalrly but the way she is berated every time she says something 'unusual' is really ridiculous.
What would have happend if someone other than Sarah had said it, I bet nobody would have batted an eyelid. |
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SantaFefan
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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Jonathon Ross for example? _________________ Johnnie Walker read out my message on Pirate Radio! 13/8/07
I have heard how radio should be. |
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John W
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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Toggy tea slurper wrote: | Pathetic thread title and so misleading. I don't like the woman particulalrly but the way she is berated every time she says something 'unusual' is really ridiculous.
What would have happend if someone other than Sarah had said it, I bet nobody would have batted an eyelid. |
Quite right toggy, Iain and Scott know full well that millions support her and smile at her 'gaffs'.
On another music forum I post on, where most folk are over 50, we were talking about an artiste (Al Bowlly) and contemporary Melody Maker reports (1930's) which always said that Bowlly was 'coloured' (the usual word in those days). This fact surprised some fans unaware of his Greek/Lebanese parentage which meant he was likely mediterranaen/olive in complexion.
One fan (~70 years old) even posted "Really? I thought he looked normal in the photos and films we have" which caused uproar on the forum, and I was not too pleased since my family are all the colours there are. An unfortunate use of words, even more perplexing when the poster, who is white-Australian said he was married to a woman from Fiji, probably a similar complexion to Bowlly. But he still had a 1950's attitude or language in his head where 'white' was 'normal'.
I've got another similar story but I'm probably boring you
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seymourwhitebits
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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John W wrote: | An unfortunate use of words, even more perplexing when the poster, who is white-Australian said he was married to a woman from Fiji, probably a similar complexion to Bowlly. But he still had a 1950's attitude or language in his head where 'white' was 'normal'.
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exactly my point john. there is no malice in the words as indicated by his choice of spouse. its the over reaction of others to the words used. "looked normal to me" does sound bad but only if you want it to. the choice of the word "normal" in my opinion means:
"really? he just looks like a regular white person to me in the photos" indicating his surprise (and not horror!) that a seemingly "all white" guy was actually mixed race.
not so inflammatory when its said like that but then that doesnt give someone a chance to kick off does it?
we need to concentrate on the deliberate and destructive racism that does exist in this country and not twist the bad use of english from a 70 year old guy into something sinister _________________ "Timpani!, Timpani!, They've all got it Timpani!"- All drummers know the pain of skin trouble. |
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Scott_Nelson Guest
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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John W wrote: | Scott and Iain, you're just taking advantage of this story to rant about a show you don't even listen to. |
I have told you before, John - I don't listen to the crap parts of Radio 2 - only the decent parts.
Quote: | That would be like me ranting about Jeremy Vine because he said something that I didn't hear because I never listen to his show. |
Freedom of speech. Both I and Firewirefred complain about the idiot on Drivetime but don't listen to him because he's driven us away from the show. I don't want to drive home from work after a stressful day in the office being shouted at by the sacked Radio 1/Virgin Radio reject.
The same applies to Sarah Kennedy: I don't want to drive to work early in the mornings to be patronised, wound up and depressed by her. It's time she was pensioned off.
Quote: | I think Sarah has made a very good point. A black person in black clothes at 4.00am is a greater risk than
a white person in black clothes
who is also at more risk than
a black person in a light coat. |
I wonder if she gave anyone a warning at 4am on Halloween that she was on her way to work?
Quote: | I expect the nearly-knocked-down person will still wear dark clothes tomorrow morning
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If it was Sarah Kennedy driving (or flying), then I would expect anyone to get knocked down.
She opens herself up to personal attacks from the media and the general public. Sympathy? She'll never get any from me. If she can dish the dirt then she can bloody well have it thrown back at her. |
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John W
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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I'll bore y'all with another story
a bit sadder, and maybe indicative of an underlying racism, or maybe not.....
Recently a few of us went to hospital with our cousin Marlene, a middle-aged black woman, to visit her best friend, white, 55, who had breast cancer and was not recovering well. I went into the ward with Marlene and we sat down at her friend's bedside. From a previous visit I knew that her friend was heavily drugged and her mind was not really all there. But she looked at us and said 'Hello Marlene, Hello John'. Wasn't much of a conversation till her friend started laughing, 'What's funny?' I asked. Her friend said 'John, look, Marlene's black!' I said 'Eh?'. She said again 'Marlene's black!' I just looked at Marlene and we burst out laughing, then a nurse and the friend's husband and son came in and we were just all laughing.
Marlene's friend died a few days later, we still laugh about her comment. Even when she had breast cancer she still smoked like a chimney. If you stepped out her back door it was like someone had emptied a full ashtray of ciggie butts on the back step.
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Scott_Nelson Guest
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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That's a very sad story, John.
Unlike Sarah Kennedy, you haven't been blatantly arrogant and ignorant in your story like she was. |
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John W
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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J_ROC72 wrote: | John W wrote: | Scott and Iain, you're just taking advantage of this story to rant about a show you don't even listen to. |
I have told you before, John - I don't listen to the crap parts of Radio 2 - only the decent parts.
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Which confirms what I said, you're just taking advantage of this story to rant about a show you don't even listen to
J_ROC72 wrote: | John W wrote: | That would be like me ranting about Jeremy Vine because he said something that I didn't hear because I never listen to his show. |
Freedom of speech. Both I and Firewirefred complain about the idiot on Drivetime but don't listen to him because he's driven us away from the show. |
Which confirms again what I said, you just take advantage to rant about a show you don't even listen to
Quote: | The same applies to Sarah Kennedy: I don't want to drive to work early in the mornings to be patronised, wound up and depressed by her. |
Neither would I, so I don't listen to Wogan (I leave the house at 8.50am )
J_ROC72 wrote: | John W wrote: | I think Sarah has made a very good point. A black person in black clothes at 4.00am is a greater risk than
a white person in black clothes
who is also at more risk than
a black person in a light coat. |
I wonder if she gave anyone a warning at 4am on Halloween that she was on her way to work?
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Not necessary, who else is out and about at that time, just a few folk in dark clothes
Quote: | Sympathy? She'll never get any from me. If she can dish the dirt then she can bloody well have it thrown back at her. |
She doesn't ask for sympathy. She takes the dirt, she doesn't care a hoot. I think she made a good point, the fella in the dark clothes walking in front a car was careless.
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Scott_Nelson Guest
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:45 am Post subject: |
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If the truth be known, the guy was probably on the pavement - then along came some old banger.
"Oh, Dawn Patrollers! Hic! I was driving to the studio this morning on the pavement, when, erm, um, erm, erm, when I suddenly noticed, an, em, em, black pedestrian who looked remarkably like Trevor McDonald! If it wasn't for his, em, grey moustache and eyebrows reflecting off my, erm, headlights, then I wouldn't have seen him! How inconvenient for him to be on the pavement at that time of day not wearing any, erm, erm, reflective clothing! Hic!"
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Scott_Nelson Guest
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 1:24 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | "And the 57-year-old raised eyebrows earlier this year by slurring words on her morning show and leaving sentences unfinished." |
What's new? She's sounded like that for the last 14 years! The word talentless springs to mind. |
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Scott_Nelson Guest
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 1:29 am Post subject: |
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Hear the "slurred speech" in full!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fINX6a3xM28&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0VFG7FwaRI
Pneumonia? I think not. She ought to have played "Sherry Baby" by Valli Frankie.
That broadcast was APPALLING - she should have been dismissed indefinitely afterwards. Not only did she sound trollied, she was all over the place. I therefore hope Iain Smith's prediction is correct. Pension her off at Christmas and start the New Year with a fresh, competent, lively, cheery, professional broadcaster, who is capable of stringing a sentence along (and review the papers) without muttering, slurring, stuttering and fluffing it up.
Aled Jones or Alex Lester get my vote. |
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