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iain_smith Guest
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 2:35 pm Post subject: will Sarah Kennedy ever return? |
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I have checked with the BBC and they say Sarah is on an extended leave of absence from the station with no indication of when she will be back.Clearly this is a management enforced leave of absence.I wonder if certain descisions are about to be made concernign Sarahs future on the staion after last mondays debacle? Could we never hear her on radio 2 ever again,and if not,would you be sad about it? |
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SantaFefan
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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and in a shock announcement, department heads at the BBC have warned of imminent sackings for many Radio2 presenters.
"Many so called top level presenters would be woken up and told to go, possibly whilst they are actually doing their programmes, or as they made their Horlicks prior to going on air" said a spokesman who also remembered when radio sounded exciting.
" there are times when the whole of Broadcasting House is filled with snoring noises" said a disgruntled heating engineer whilst burning the thousands of complaints received from April last year.
The future of Lesley Douglas was also looking grim as most of the replacement d'j's insisted that she should make way for somebody with an ear for good music and actually took notice of their listeners.
Emperor Rosko, seen shredding a picture of Dermot O'Blimey, shouted " Time for some Sun On Yer' Bun" whilst Dave Cash and DLT struggled with armfuls of mothballed music from the BBC vaults.
Chris Evans and Jonathon Ross hid behind Ms Douglas' black & red cape and refused to comment..... _________________ Johnnie Walker read out my message on Pirate Radio! 13/8/07
I have heard how radio should be. |
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Cherskiy
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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Inspired, Santa! _________________ Author: “To the Ends of the Earth: A Snapshot of Aviation in North-Eastern Siberia, Summer 1992”
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mark occomore
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 7:17 pm Post subject: Re: will Sarah Kennedy ever return? |
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iain_smith wrote: | I have checked with the BBC and they say Sarah is on an extended leave of absence from the station with no indication of when she will be back.Clearly this is a management enforced leave of absence.I wonder if certain descisions are about to be made concernign Sarahs future on the staion after last mondays debacle? Could we never hear her on radio 2 ever again,and if not,would you be sad about it? |
People get ill, Sarah Kennedy wasn't well. Then when Sarah Kennedy isn't well it hits the headlines. ( Yes foul up may have happened ) Go on girl and gives Radio 2 some publicty and makes people tune in. Iain go away and think about it.
One thing I say Wogan and her are the only ones I know of who turn up and present the show and go home. I know they do other things outside broadcasting house, but Sarah has said many times she's home before 9am and that can get peoples backs up when some work over 40 hours a week and scrapping to make ends meet. Thats the BBC who pays the money to these guys and we are not the ones who call the shots. |
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John W
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 7:22 pm Post subject: Re: will Sarah Kennedy ever return? |
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For once, I might agree with iain_smith.
I fear the worst for Sarah, though the Beeb might just give her one more chance to sort herself out or decide finally that her schedule of work and living in her London apartment mid-week is just too much for her now.
Personally it doesn't matter to me what is the outcome as I'm never up before 8am nowadays |
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SantaFefan
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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That was Mark Occomore reporting from somewhere strange...
_________________ Johnnie Walker read out my message on Pirate Radio! 13/8/07
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mark occomore
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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John might be right, but I doubt she'll leave the network completly. |
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firewirefred Guest
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 8:59 pm Post subject: Re: will Sarah Kennedy ever return? |
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mark occomore wrote: | One thing I say Wogan and her are the only ones I know of who turn up and present the show and go home. I know they do other things outside broadcasting house, but Sarah has said many times she's home before 9am and that can get peoples backs up when some work over 40 hours a week and scrapping to make ends meet. Thats the BBC who pays the money to these guys and we are not the ones who call the shots. |
You've seen their contracts, have you? What would you like them to do - go round the building and empty waste bins to make up their 35.5 hours or whatever? |
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mark occomore
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 9:32 pm Post subject: Re: will Sarah Kennedy ever return? |
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firewirefred wrote: | mark occomore wrote: | One thing I say Wogan and her are the only ones I know of who turn up and present the show and go home. I know they do other things outside broadcasting house, but Sarah has said many times she's home before 9am and that can get peoples backs up when some work over 40 hours a week and scrapping to make ends meet. Thats the BBC who pays the money to these guys and we are not the ones who call the shots. |
You've seen their contracts, have you? What would you like them to do - go round the building and empty waste bins to make up their 35.5 hours or whatever? |
90 minutes over 5 days doesn't work out to be 35 or so hours a week. Then at home before 9 doing the washing and baking cakes. Is that for the BBC canteen? |
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John W
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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Eh Mark, 90 min... never mind |
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mark occomore
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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John W wrote: | Eh Mark, 90 min... never mind |
90 Minutes a day over 5 days. Thats better |
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gazmando
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:13 am Post subject: Re: will Sarah Kennedy ever return? |
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firewirefred wrote: | mark occomore wrote: | One thing I say Wogan and her are the only ones I know of who turn up and present the show and go home. I know they do other things outside broadcasting house, but Sarah has said many times she's home before 9am and that can get peoples backs up when some work over 40 hours a week and scrapping to make ends meet. Thats the BBC who pays the money to these guys and we are not the ones who call the shots. |
You've seen their contracts, have you? What would you like them to do - go round the building and empty waste bins to make up their 35.5 hours or whatever? |
Mark, how much do the people who are scrapping to make ends meet earn per fight then? |
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gfloyd
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:53 am Post subject: Re: will Sarah Kennedy ever return? |
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firewirefred wrote: | You've seen their contracts, have you? What would you like them to do - go round the building and empty waste bins to make up their 35.5 hours or whatever? |
Well preparing for the next show might be a good use of the time
If she wasnt reading things for the first time live on air, she might not stumble so much. _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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mark occomore
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 7:53 am Post subject: Re: will Sarah Kennedy ever return? |
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gfloyd wrote: | firewirefred wrote: | You've seen their contracts, have you? What would you like them to do - go round the building and empty waste bins to make up their 35.5 hours or whatever? |
Well preparing for the next show might be a good use of the time
If she wasnt reading things for the first time live on air, she might not stumble so much. |
Wogan and Evans do the same. Maybe Dawn Patrol will have someone else reading the papers from now on? Gives a little banter between Sarah and the person. Oh that could be worse |
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Helen May
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 9:13 am Post subject: |
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SantaFefan wrote: | and in a shock announcement, department heads at the BBC have warned of imminent sackings for many Radio2 presenters.
"Many so called top level presenters would be woken up and told to go, possibly whilst they are actually doing their programmes, or as they made their Horlicks prior to going on air" said a spokesman who also remembered when radio sounded exciting.
" there are times when the whole of Broadcasting House is filled with snoring noises" said a disgruntled heating engineer whilst burning the thousands of complaints received from April last year.
The future of Lesley Douglas was also looking grim as most of the replacement d'j's insisted that she should make way for somebody with an ear for good music and actually took notice of their listeners.
Emperor Rosko, seen shredding a picture of Dermot O'Blimey, shouted " Time for some Sun On Yer' Bun" whilst Dave Cash and DLT struggled with armfuls of mothballed music from the BBC vaults.
Chris Evans and Jonathon Ross hid behind Ms Douglas' black & red cape and refused to comment..... |
If only SanteFe.
H _________________ 88 - 91 FM this is Radio 2 from the BBC!
I said it live on air in the studio with Jeremy Vine on 10/3/2005 |
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MIKERAPHONE
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According to Radio Times online Aled Jones is doing at least 2 weeks of cover for SK.(Starting tomorrow)
All of this done at a moments notice of course.
Maybe her time has run out!! _________________ The Voice of reason in a MAD MAD world |
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Helen May
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 10:34 am Post subject: |
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He's going to be busy next week then MIKE as he's doing Ken Bruce from a week tomorrow. I hope that doesn't mean we get 2 weeks of Shouting McCall.
Of course putting 2 good DJs on together (Radcliffe and Maconie) doesn't help when you are stretched, as they obviously are at the moment.
H _________________ 88 - 91 FM this is Radio 2 from the BBC!
I said it live on air in the studio with Jeremy Vine on 10/3/2005 |
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Mark Mayhew
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 10:49 am Post subject: |
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Richard Allinson is back from holiday the week after next-maybe Lesley Douglas will give him a call and ask him to cover either for Mr Bruce or for the Dawn Patrol show. |
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gfloyd
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 10:56 am Post subject: |
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It must be a difficult time for Sarah, so I think on a personal level she deserves some space and time off.
I dont think the BBC are about to run out of presenters though. Surely they have people queueing up to work for them. _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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Helen May
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I'm sure they have Ernie, but are they all just 'celebs' that we are sick and tired of listening to?
H _________________ 88 - 91 FM this is Radio 2 from the BBC!
I said it live on air in the studio with Jeremy Vine on 10/3/2005 |
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gfloyd
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 11:08 am Post subject: |
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Helen May wrote: | I'm sure they have Ernie, but are they all just 'celebs' that we are sick and tired of listening to?
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Seems to be so, but as you know Radio 2 has always used loads of celeb's to present shows. In the 80 & 90's there was Judith Charmers, Debbie Thrower, the Jamesons and loads of others. Radio 2 has always had the view that only people with a national profile are capable of doing a show. Around the margins of the schedule they are happy to employ regular DJ's but in daytime they always want the big names. _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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mark occomore
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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MIKERAPHONE wrote: | According to Radio Times online Aled Jones is doing at least 2 weeks of cover for SK.(Starting tomorrow)
All of this done at a moments notice of course.
Maybe her time has run out!! |
Mike, It's not right according the online Radio times. Aled is covering for Ken the following week with Sarah listed to host Dawn Patrol
Ernie is right It is a hard time for Sarah and personally we don't know the whole story. The problem is a lot of people judge a person before they have been found quilty. |
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mark occomore
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Helen May
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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gfloyd wrote: | Helen May wrote: | I'm sure they have Ernie, but are they all just 'celebs' that we are sick and tired of listening to?
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Seems to be so, but as you know Radio 2 has always used loads of celeb's to present shows. In the 80 & 90's there was Judith Charmers, Debbie Thrower, the Jamesons and loads of others. Radio 2 has always had the view that only people with a national profile are capable of doing a show. Around the margins of the schedule they are happy to employ regular DJ's but in daytime they always want the big names. |
Yes, but Judith Chalmers and Debbie Thrower were experienced broadcasters, and Judith on radio with Family Favourites(?). I'd hardly call Big Brother broadcasting............. _________________ 88 - 91 FM this is Radio 2 from the BBC!
I said it live on air in the studio with Jeremy Vine on 10/3/2005 |
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John W
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah but Mark, her performance on Monday did not display typical symptoms of sinusitis........
As Helen says, if the updated online schedule with w/c 27/8 includes Sarah then she is getting some time off to get herself physically and mentally prepared to continue. |
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gfloyd
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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Helen May wrote: | Yes, but Judith Chalmers and Debbie Thrower were experienced broadcasters, and Judith on radio with Family Favourites(?). I'd hardly call Big Brother broadcasting............. |
I'm not a fan of Davina, but in fairness to her she is a fairly experienced broadcaster who has presented some of the biggest shows around.
I think the problem is more that she may not be familiar with the Radio 2 audience and their likes & dislikes. It is a curious thing how Radio 2 has garnered so many presenters from Big Brother when the Radio 2 audience for that show is probably quite minimal. _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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mark occomore
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Surely if she was drunk on air her producer would have removed her? Unless there was no one in the building to cover for her? I wouldn't think Sarah would have come in knowing it would be against the rules to be drunk whilst presenting a radio show.
Maybe I'm trying to defend her, but until we know the full story we really shouldn't judge? Thats if we will know the full story? mmmmmmmmmm? no!!
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gfloyd
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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mark occomore wrote: | Surely if she was drunk on air her producer would have removed her? Unless there was no one in the building to cover for her? I wouldn't thing Sarah would have come in knowing it would be against the rules to be drunk whilst presenting a radio show.
Maybe I'm trying to defend her, but until we know the full story we really shouldn't judge? Thats if we will know the full story? mmmmmmmmmm? no!! |
Who can say? I think the producers, bar a few, are afraid to stand up to presenters on Radio 2 when they make mistakes. _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 1:21 am Post subject: |
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2 weeks and counting shes been off now...
of course the oficial reason for her abscense is shes recovering from 'pneumonia'- http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/kennedy/ .. a similar type of pneomonia to Amy Winehouses perhaps....I think Richard Allinsons in for a long haul on Dawn Patrol! |
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mark occomore
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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:10 am Post subject: |
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iain_smith wrote: | 2 weeks and counting shes been off now...
of course the oficial reason for her abscense is shes recovering from 'pneumonia'- http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/kennedy/ .. a similar type of pneomonia to Amy Winehouses perhaps....I think Richard Allinsons in for a long haul on Dawn Patrol! |
Thanks iain, but I opened a thread up explaining this. Please look!! |
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firewirefred Guest
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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 9:02 am Post subject: Re: will Sarah Kennedy ever return? |
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mark occomore wrote: | One thing I say Wogan and her are the only ones I know of who turn up and present the show and go home. I know they do other things outside broadcasting house, but Sarah has said many times she's home before 9am and that can get peoples backs up when some work over 40 hours a week and scrapping to make ends meet. |
They're not paid to do full-time 40-hours-per-week jobs. They commit the time required according to the terms of their contracts, which are negotiated by their respective agents and the BBC's Contracts Dept. Whether they go home immediately after their shows is a matter for them and nobody else. It's no different to many TV and other radio show presenters so I don't see why it should even be considered an issue here.
mark occomore wrote: | Thats the BBC who pays the money to these guys and we are not the ones who call the shots. |
That's not true at all. As Licence Fee payers (I assume!) we're all effectively stakeholders in the BBC as a public service broadcaster. Those who given the responsibility to manage it do so on behalf of the stakeholders. The new BBC Trust, and before it the Board of Governors, are charged with the responsibility of ensuring that the BBC meets its obligations - and managers of broadcasting units such as Radio 2 also have a responsibility to the listeners and must respond to what they see as comment and/or criticism in a responsible manner. So, in a sense, it's the "stakeholders" who actually do call the shots, because if we complain loadly enough to the BBC Trust they are duty bound to act.
gfloyd wrote: | Who can say? I think the producers, bar a few, are afraid to stand up to presenters on Radio 2 when they make mistakes. |
That's not true, actually. Internally, some high-profile presenters have been calling the shots for a long time, but in the last year or two many staff producers have been giving the proverbial kick up the wotsit by the controller and told to keep the public (audible) face of programming in check and to handle their presenters properly.
When you know technical staff and engineers (especially those who are freelance and who get around) it's amazing what you can learn!
Incidentally, I'll lay money on it that Sarah Kennedy won't be at the station for much longer. There's a new round of changes due........ |
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gfloyd
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Mark,
just think of how many social events Sarah has to attend as part of her "reserach" for the show. If she charged the BBC for these, she would be doing considerably more than 40 hours per week. _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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gfloyd
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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 9:12 am Post subject: Re: will Sarah Kennedy ever return? |
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firewirefred wrote: |
gfloyd wrote: | Who can say? I think the producers, bar a few, are afraid to stand up to presenters on Radio 2 when they make mistakes. |
That's not true, actually. Internally, some high-profile presenters have been calling the shots for a long time, but in the last year or two many staff producers have been giving the proverbial kick up the wotsit by the controller and told to keep the public (audible) face of programming in check and to handle their presenters properly.
When you know technical staff and engineers (especially those who are freelance and who get around) it's amazing what you can learn!
Incidentally, I'll lay money on it that Sarah Kennedy won't be at the station for much longer. There's a new round of changes due........ |
Well sarah was always expected to leave her slot whenever Terry goes. Unless she screws up terribly in the meantime of course
Its good if producers are being given a bit more power versus some of the high paid presenting divas. _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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MadeinSurrey
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iain_smith wrote: | 2 weeks and counting shes been off now...
of course the oficial reason for her abscense is shes recovering from 'pneumonia'- http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/kennedy/ .. a similar type of pneomonia to Amy Winehouses perhaps....I think Richard Allinsons in for a long haul on Dawn Patrol! |
It's nasty remarks like that I object to. What reason do you or anyone else have to believe that Sarah has anything other than pneumonia? _________________ MiS |
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It's nasty remarks like that I object to. |
Me too, Let's hope she gets well soon.
and Richard Allinson for a long haul... |
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John W
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MadeinSurrey wrote: | iain_smith wrote: | .. a similar type of pneomonia to Amy Winehouses perhaps.... |
It's nasty remarks like that I object to. |
Indeed,
iain has been suspended, for not the first time, for that remark which is a worrying development from his usual necrophilia. I've told him he will be re-instated when Sarah returns. Of course that could be next week or never...... |
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mark occomore
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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:08 pm Post subject: Re: will Sarah Kennedy ever return? |
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firewirefred wrote: | mark occomore wrote: | One thing I say Wogan and her are the only ones I know of who turn up and present the show and go home. I know they do other things outside broadcasting house, but Sarah has said many times she's home before 9am and that can get peoples backs up when some work over 40 hours a week and scrapping to make ends meet. |
They're not paid to do full-time 40-hours-per-week jobs. They commit the time required according to the terms of their contracts, which are negotiated by their respective agents and the BBC's Contracts Dept. Whether they go home immediately after their shows is a matter for them and nobody else. It's no different to many TV and other radio show presenters so I don't see why it should even be considered an issue here.
mark occomore wrote: | Thats the BBC who pays the money to these guys and we are not the ones who call the shots. |
That's not true at all. As Licence Fee payers (I assume!) we're all effectively stakeholders in the BBC as a public service broadcaster. Those who given the responsibility to manage it do so on behalf of the stakeholders. The new BBC Trust, and before it the Board of Governors, are charged with the responsibility of ensuring that the BBC meets its obligations - and managers of broadcasting units such as Radio 2 also have a responsibility to the listeners and must respond to what they see as comment and/or criticism in a responsible manner. So, in a sense, it's the "stakeholders" who actually do call the shots, because if we complain loadly enough to the BBC Trust they are duty bound to act.
gfloyd wrote: | Who can say? I think the producers, bar a few, are afraid to stand up to presenters on Radio 2 when they make mistakes. |
That's not true, actually. Internally, some high-profile presenters have been calling the shots for a long time, but in the last year or two many staff producers have been giving the proverbial kick up the wotsit by the controller and told to keep the public (audible) face of programming in check and to handle their presenters properly.
When you know technical staff and engineers (especially those who are freelance and who get around) it's amazing what you can learn!
Incidentally, I'll lay money on it that Sarah Kennedy won't be at the station for much longer. There's a new round of changes due........ |
Thanks Fire, it's nice to read things about how they are paid etc. Not being sarcastic, as I don't know it all, some is guess work, and what I read over the years |
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MadeinSurrey
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Mark, I think we can all safely say that we don't know it all. _________________ MiS |
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essexlady
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Richard Allison said this morning that Sarah will be back next Monday. |
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MadeinSurrey
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I look forward to her return, recuperated and raring to go. _________________ MiS |
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